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Retrospective Scouting Reports (2011/2012) - Guess the Player

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Since this tends to be a slow time of year for baseball fans, I thought it might be a good opportunity to bring back one of our annual traditions: the Retroactive Scouting Reports game. In case you don't remember from the first two years we did this, the rules are pretty simple. I'm going to provide the Baseball America draft-day scouting reports for three players who will be in camp with us this spring, with all specific identifying details such as names, teams, and conferences removed, and in the comments you'll try to match the player with his scouting report. After a day or so, I'll provide the answers, along with an examination of the player's development in light of scouts' draft-day expectations for him. For the purposes of the contest, anyone on the 40-man roster is eligible, as are all non-roster invitees. The winner will receive a highly valuable prize: bragging rights. As such, if you're a BA subscriber, please try to resist the temptation to check the answers, since it's more fun for everyone if the participants play fair.

Seem simple enough? Your three players, should you choose to accept them, are below the cut:

Update: Answers have also been posted below.

Star-divide

Player A:

Though he hasn't hit with the power scouts wanted to see, "Player A" has been a bright spot for a [notable college] team that struggled this year. He's a solid defender, but his tools and lack of consistent power may prompt a team to put him behind the plate. He would be suited for the position because he has soft hands and arm strength, and is a tough, gritty competitor.

Player B:

If "Player B" makes it to [college], he'll be one of college baseball's top two-way players [next year]. He's a 6-foot-3, 205-pound athlete who started at quarterback as a high school junior before taking his senior season off to concentrate on baseball. As a center fielder, he has 6.8-6.9 second speed in the 60-yard dash, tracks balls well and can put on a show in batting practice. Still, his strongest tool is his arm and he'll be strictly a pitcher once he turns pro. "Player B" consistently throws 88-91 mph and at times shows an above-average breaking ball. Hitting and pitching have diverted his focus, and he could develop quickly once he becomes a pitcher only.

Player C:

"Player C" may have the best bat speed in the state. He drives balls with excellent pull power, though he'll need to make better contact, especially on offspeed pitches. He's a one-dimensional talent as his other tools are just so-so. He committed to [the same college another current Pirate attended].

OK, there you go. Post your guesses in the comments, and we'll check back with the answers in a day or so.

The contest is now closed, and here are the answers. Links on the players' names go to the scouting report for the player in question.

Player A is Casey McGehee: In 2003, Baseball America ranked him as the #27 draft prospect from "Northern California" as a college junior, and the Cubs picked him in the 10th round. The "notable college team" in the blurb is California State University Fresno, a.k.a. Fresno State, the 2008 College World Series champ and the alma mater of Terry Pendleton, Jeff Weaver, and Matt Garza, among others. McGehee hit only three home runs in his junior year, down from eight in the season before, though his .346 batting average meant that he was still a useful offensive contributor. He did receive a trial run behind the plate as a pro, with 28 games as a catcher in 2004 and another 65 from 2007-2008, though third base remained his primary position until his offensive breakout with the Brewers in 2009. The plaudits for McGehee's defensive tools are somewhat surprising in retrospect - he's certainly a capable enough third baseman, but the scouting report makes him sound like a future Gold Glove candidate.

For understandable reasons, most guesses focused on other part-time Pirates catchers, such as Eric Fryer, Jeff Clement, Jake Fox, and Neil Walker. The posters who correctly identified McGehee were dunkuntou, WTM, Raybin, gonfalon, and BurgherKing.

Player B is Chris Resop: In 2001, Baseball America ranked him as the #15 draft prospect in the state of Florida, where he was a two-way star for Barron Collier High School of Naples, Florida, and the Marlins took him in the middle of the fourth round. The college commitment referenced in his scouting report was to Miami. Resop is still 6'3", but he's added about 20 pounds of muscle since then, and as a result of that physical development (and a move to the bullpen) his average fastball currently sits around 93, rather than in the high 80s. The report properly credits him with an above-average breaking ball, of course, but its reference to Resop's hitting ability seems a bit less apt, as he's compiled a batting line of only .199/.248/.283 in 309 minor league PAs, and is 0-for-1 in his major league career. He probably made the right choice by going with the mound rather than the outfield.

Far and away, the most popular guess for Player B was James McDonald. That makes a certain amount of sense, as McDonald is tall enough (listed at 6'4") and has four members of his immediate family who played pro ball as outfielders: uncle (and Pirates draftee) Donzell McDonald Sr. and cousins Darnell McDonald, Donzell McDonald Jr., and Darin McDonald. Only three posters correctly identified Resop: dunkuntou, Superstar25, and whygavs. WTM also deserves half-credit for nearly getting there in this post.

Player C is Nick Evans: In 2004, Baseball America ranked the future Met as the #6 overall player in a weak crop from the state of Arizona, assessing him as the best player from the state not expected to go in the first five rounds. They were close, as the Mets took Evans right at the top of the fifth. Evans's college commitment was to Texas Tech, whose MLB products include current Pirates starter (and 2003 19th-round pick) Jeff Karstens. A look at Hit Tracker confirms that Evans's power does primarily come from pulling the ball, as all four of his home runs last year were to straightaway left field, and all of his ML home runs in his career to date were on the left half of the diamond. The pessimistic view of Evans's other tools appears to have been justified, as contact remains an issue against RHP, he doesn't run well or often, and he has struggled to find a long-term defensive position.

Guesses for Player C were all over the map. Garrett Jones and Casey McGehee drew a decent amount of support here, as did Evans's fellow 1B NRI Jake Fox. I can't really blame anyone for not identifying Evans, as the report was extremely vague. There were a few correct responses: wg1of5, WTM, BurgherKing, j1066, and Leftys.

Thanks for playing. I hope you had as much fun with this as I did.

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Comments

Probably gonna be 0/3 here, but whatever.

A. Fryer
B. McDonald
C. Evans

Player A – Jeff Clement

Player B – James McDonald

Player C – McGehee

hm

A – Mercer
B – McDonald (just going with the flow)
C – Fox — but he wasn’t drafted out of high school, was he? Oh well.

Mercer isnt at NRI

A. Neil Walker
B. Bryan Morris
C. Starling Marte

I wanted to guess more older guys, but I don’t remember whether or not they went to college or other important telling details.

I have no idea...

A Rod Barajas
B James McDonald
C Pedro Alvarez

Im pretty sure Barajas was never drafted

maybe he was and went to canada instead
Barajas was born in California

so it’s safe to assume he was drafted

he wasn't, though

Apparently he walked on with an A-ball team that the D-backs shared with the Tigers after going undrafted out of junior college.

Here's goes nothing..

A – Jeff Clement

B – Brad Lincoln

C – Andrew McCutchen

Welp

A – Jeff Clement (only option I can think of. Walker came out of HS)
B – James McDonald (everyone else said it)
C – Wes Freeman

I was thinking it couldn’t be Clement because he was already a catcher.

(Also — Walker came out of high school? Really? Which one?)

Pine Richland

Drafted straight out in 2004

yeah

That was kind of a joke (not directed at you) about how the broadcasters used to think his first name was Pinerichlandsneil.

Oh haha

I was gonna say… I thought that was REALLY common knowledge…

I’m a genius!

Hmmmm...

Tough, gritty, catcher…

Player A has to be Jason Kendall.

And I’ll take a legitimate guess at Player B:

Daniel McCutchen (but he’s not 6-3, is he?)

†hey are supposed to be players

on the 40 man roster this year i believe…so kendall is out.

yessirreebob
“… scouting reports for three players who will be in camp with us this spring…”

That is one of the restrictions / clues.

Bah

I totally missed that part…I’m assuming this excludes minor league spring training which would immediately eliminate 2 of my 3 guesses haha…

Didn’t think I’d have to clarify it was a joke. I guess that makes it a bad one.

I got it

Chuckled a bit. Cutch is 6’3 and I thought about him because I could totally see him at QB, but I thought he was a HS player, too.

Nope. He went to Oklahoma, I believe.

And I recall something about him walking on to the football team as a punter? Or maybe that was Jason Kendall as well.

A. Jeff Karstens
B. Kevin Corriea
C. Jake Fox

a- Chase D’Arnaud
b- D. McCutchen?
c- Casey Mcghee

Gonna go out on a limb here

A. Fryer
B. Rojas Jr.
C. Latimore

gotta be on the 40 man
unless you already knew all 3 werent

if so, well done.

oh, non roster invitees too?

shit.

nevermind

HMM

A. Fryer
B. Lincoln
C. Clement

Alright

A. Clint Barmes
B. ZVR! i actually like this guess but could be utterly wrong.
C. Alex Dickerson

were ZVR and Dickerson invited to camp this year?

I know Sanchez was…but not sure about those two.

DAMNIT. didnt read the fine print of the game

You can change your vote, if you want. I don’t think anyone would mind, since the answers haven’t been revealed yet.

ok

B. Robbie Grossman
C. Casey McGehee

I'm going to take advantage of this ruling too

A. sticking with Fryer
B. Hammer (he kinda looks like he’d be a football player)
C. GFJ

I am a little bummed that Rojas was DQ’d because I thought that was gonna be a pretty good catch…“If he makes it to college”-he went to JuCo so there might have been eligibility issues, “As a CF [shows good speed] and can put on a show in BP”-this sounds like Rojas doesn’t it?, “his best tool is his arm…and could develop quickly once he becomes a pitcher only”-Rojas has a good arm and his dad was a pitcher so maybe the assumption was that he would too once he got to school.

Oh well, it would have been wrong anyway, haha. I like this game.

For me, one of the most interesting parts is seeing people’s rationale behind their choices.

Some parts of Rojas’s profile fit “Player B” pretty well – I can see why you came up with the idea.

If we’re doing do-overs, after thinking about it a little I expect C is Nick Evans. I think Jones was pretty much of an unknown when drafted.

I don’t see how B can be anybody but Mac, but I’m probably wrong somehow. I don’t think Resop pitched at all until after he turned pro. I suppose DMcCutch could be possible, but I know Mac was a two-way player.

i so badly wanted to pick Nick Evans for one of them. I almost guarantee he’s one of the mystery players. I know your soul Vlad

J-Mac

just seems to skinny to me for him to be 205 in HS, even at 6’3"

D.Cutch was a college draftee. Univ. of Okla. In fact, he was quite old when he started his pro career, at least 23 I think.

There are very few pitchers who’ll be in camp who did not go to 4-year colleges, and most of them are either too short (Meek, Locke) or too hopeless with the bat (Morton, Morris).

I’m beginning to think it might have been Resop. Has to be him or Mac, unless it’s somebody who didn’t end up pitching at all.

He hasn't hit much since moving to the pen

but Hanrahan had a .765 AAA OPS and an .857 OPS as a rookie starter for the Nats…

Hard to envision the Hammer in CF.

this is a fun game

the fill in the lineups one was absolutely awesome too haha

sanchez, cain, and grossman
I'll spitball it:

A: Jeff Clement (because of the bit about maybe making him a catcher)
B: DCutch (because he’s a fast runner and can also pitch)
C: Jones (because he can’t hit breaking balls and has pull power)

did he ever show questionable power? I thought he set college HR records?

He did. He also was a catcher all along.

Sorry, that’s right. He was moved the other way around.

wild guesses

A- Casey McGehee
B- Chris Resop
C-Garrett Jones

A — McGehee
B — McDonald
C — Jones

my guesses....based on other ppl's guesses lol

A- Jeff Clement…since he’s a 1B with some pop, but the other tools are so- so and they’ve tried moving him to catcher, but unfortunately bad knees.

b- Hanrahan…at 205 lbs he has to be a pretty big guy, Evan Meek would be my second guess.

C – Garret Jones, my second thought was Nate McClouth

without looking at other guesses, I’m gonna say
A) Fryer
B) D. Cutch
C) Mcgehee

A) Jake Fox? No idea.
B) Resop
C) Jones?
Why’d I even try…

A) Hague
B) Hanrahan
C) Jones

I'll play

The Fort
McDonald
Fox

My guesses

1) Casey McGehee
2) Brad Lincoln
3) Robbie Grossman

all guesses

A = Casey McGehee
B = Jason Grilli
C = Jake Fox

i did get a lot of help from the comments (not necessarily the right help :P)

A: Casey Mcgehee (my instincts expect this one to be out of LF, but I just couldn’t find someone who fits the bill… it could have been any of Fox/Fryer/McKenry, and it doesn’t help that I had no clue about these guys when they were drafted)

B: Daniel McCutchen (my original guess for this was James McDonald, but DCutch seems like he has legit speed, and I’m sticking a bit to the idea that the drafting team agreed with the scouts and made him a pitcher-JMac was an OF for a bit in the DOdgers system)

C: Nick Evans (this was my original guess)

on B) We don’t have any OFs that big so if he’s not a P he must play IF. I’m now wondering if that is a sneaky Garrett Jones somehow

I'd say C is..

McGehee. Both him and Justin Wilson went to Fresno State. Of course, the clue doesn’t state if he ended up going to college or not. If player C ended up going to college then it is McGehee for sure. The description fits him very well.

These are “draft day evaluations” so it’s definitely A) college, B – HS, C – HS

ok, ignore this

Are these guaranteed to be reports from the draft they actually wound up signing in?

I looked up something that indicates that someone above is right about C, but I don’t think I should say for spoilery reasons.

Are these guaranteed to be reports from the draft they actually wound up signing in?

As it happens, they aren’t. Just from a draft in which the player in question ended up getting picked.

Hmmm

Don’t think it is McGehee then. Pretty sure he wasn’t picked out of high school.

ah

Well, C still isn’t Fox. Guns up!

a fryer
b hanrahan
c evans

looking at the things other people have said, which is rather cheesy

if I were to guess now I’d say:
a: European city
b: old farmer
c: Why didn’t they ask…?

And that’s a rather cheesy way of putting the answers, but given the amount of cheating I’ve already done I figure I should obscure them a little.

of course I will look really stupid when they turn out to be all wrong
1 of the 3, even after cheating

That’s Hague, McDonald, Evans. (I Googled that Evans had a Texas Tech commitment.)

Oops, sorry. I figured out what you meant on the first two, but didn’t get the reference on the third.

no problem

Wasn’t my first or official answer — I didn’t expect credit for it (which is part of why I wrapped it in obscure Agatha Christie jokes).

1. Eric Fryer
2. DCutch
3. Jarek Cunningham

Cunningham is going to be in camp?
Let's go off the map a bit here

1. Chris Leroux
2. Chris Resop
3. Robbie Grossman

casey mcgehee

Is Casey McGehee both A & C???

No player is used more than once.

1. Hague
2. Grossman
3. Evans

WE DEMAND ANSWERS!
No kidding

its DEFINITELY been “a day or so”

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Heh.

At least I managed to get one!

Even one is honestly pretty good.

After you guessed, the next dozen people didn’t get any right at all.

They were extra-hard this year.

Fun stuff

We need to do this again.

I had all three of them,

I just didn’t wanna make you all look foolish.

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…okay, not really.

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