barring something unforeseen, aj trade will be completed w/i a few days. pirates to pay $13M of $33M, give up 2 non-roster minor leaguers
$13 million is real money, so I wouldn't expect the prospects to be particularly good. Not that we were expecting otherwise.
UPDATE: Dejan Kovacevic's column says something similar about the details of the deal, and also praises the Pirates' front office for the way it has handled negotiations with the Yankees. He also does a nice job explaining why Burnett is a better acquisition than his baseball-card stats make him look. It's a very good column, overall.
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I like it
Barring a last second collapse looks like this will go through. I like that the Bucs stuck to their guns here and will not give up anything more than cash and marginal minor leaguers. AJ will get a fresh start at PNC and in the NL and hopefully will regain his form. I am not looking for him to be dominant by any means. But if he can give us 180+ innings, a decent number of K’s and keep his ERA in the high 3’s to low 4’s then NH and company have pulled off a good one. He should benefit not having to constantly face AL East line ups and no Pujols and very little Fielder. Will be nice to have a starter that hopefully does not start to fade and peter out come August. Is Correia likely the odd man out if we do get AJ? Someone we make the long relief guy and spot starter when needed?
fitguync30 - February 17, 2012
B-b-b-but Dejan hates the FO and lives his life for the sole purpose of trashing them! This column must have been written by his evil twin.
Speaking of evil, there’s this bit of wisdom from NY Post.
WTM - February 17, 2012
chico's pants?
karreemofwheat - February 17, 2012
or dejans mustard
karreemofwheat - February 17, 2012
ewwwwwwwwww
white angus - February 17, 2012
Oh, how being an All-Star affects public perception of you…
Superstar25 - February 17, 2012
If the Yankees would take Correia...
it would solve a lot of problems.
Thunder - February 17, 2012
just pitch Correia on the road
white angus - February 17, 2012
You’d throw him in the middle of traffic?
WTM - February 17, 2012
Lol'd
Wizard of Woz - February 17, 2012
hahaaaaaaaa
guess we could jim tracy him under a bus.
white angus - February 17, 2012
Enjoy your rec.
Now someone make this green.
wrecking_ball - February 17, 2012
Done
That was too funny.
Bishop1973 - February 17, 2012
I wish
That would mean he’s a non-roster player
glass0941 - February 17, 2012
well if it does not happen by close of business friday, then it will have to wait until monday.
bud has to give his blessing. the way he hates us it would not suprise me if he rejected the deal.
karreemofwheat - February 17, 2012
if the yanks want it done
it will get done
BurgherKing - February 17, 2012
not going to happen
you guys will never learn, sweetleb has a guy inside the yankees fo and they are just messy with the pirates. plus why would the pirates not wait to see how he is throwing in spring training.
sweetleb - February 17, 2012
Why did you put quotes around the entirety of your signature?
ryebr3ad - February 17, 2012
I think he said it one
time and it seemed to smart, he wanted to memorialize it. That’s my guest at least.
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
guess even
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
Too bad they don’t start discussing business until after the sandwiches are delivered.
WTM - February 17, 2012
No matter how many translators I put it through,
It still comes out the same:
n’ goes oneself producing. It of the types n’ you never learn, sweetleb have a l’ type; Inside the Yankees FO and they are simply impure with the pirates. positively, why they robbery-copy, it waits, in order to see, how it throws the education in the spring.
cocktailsfor2 - February 17, 2012
Don’t see the difference, myself.
WTM - February 17, 2012
That's what I'm sayin'...
…it’s the same, no matter how you try to make English out of it.
cocktailsfor2 - February 17, 2012
I get:
“Is to learn pesky Yankee Pirate sweetleb ppl man. Pirate throws after waiting for his spring training.”
So we’re getting Johnny Pesky back too? When did the Red Sox get in on this?
WHYG Zane Smith - February 17, 2012
Sweetleb has a janitor in the Boston FO.
WTM - February 17, 2012
This is just disturbing...
Whatever happened to "don’t ask, don’t tell? This isn’t a porn site….
Trogluddite - February 17, 2012
tomato, toe-mah-toe
white angus - February 17, 2012
It got repealed of course
So I suppose maybe he is into that kind of thing. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
glass0941 - February 17, 2012
Are you George Costanza?
Joe9195 - February 17, 2012
He must be Newman! Constanza is his source. I think we finally nailed it!
rj.reynolds - February 17, 2012
That's his man on the inside!
The Pisano’s delivery guy. Either that, or he’s from the coffee shop. But no, you have to get the BIIIIIG salad!
glass0941 - February 17, 2012
Let me guess Sweetleb
You couldn’t sleep so you took a late-night troll?
Pagliaroni - February 17, 2012
good one
karreemofwheat - February 17, 2012
I'm scared
If this deal gets done the buccos will have 6 actual major league starting pitchers for 5 spots. Um…what the eff is happening here?
bosten7 - February 17, 2012 via mobile
Burnett, Bedard, J-Mac, Morton, Karstens and . . . ?
WTM - February 17, 2012
Lincoln?
taiwania - February 17, 2012
Correia
??? Dude was an all-star last year…
bosten7 - February 17, 2012 via mobile
And Mike Williams was an All-Star with an ERA over 6.00.
WTM - February 17, 2012
Are you saying Mike Williams wasn’t a major league caliber pitcher?
bosten7 - February 17, 2012 via mobile
The year after his last All-Star appearance he sure wasn’t.
Schide - February 17, 2012
The year OF that appearance he wasn’t, either.
WTM - February 17, 2012
And Correia isn’t a major league caliber starter.
WTM - February 17, 2012
this is a little silly
No, Correia didn’t have a great year, and no, he didn’t really deserve that ASG nod, and yes, he got lucky with run support, etc. etc. etc. I get it. But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a “major league caliber” starter. He may be worse than the “average” starter, but he’s MLB caliber.
We all wish that our rotation was better, but there’s no reason to belittle guys unnecessarily.
Garrett122 - February 17, 2012
question is... once Correia is gone, who becomes the next whippin boy?
first it was cedeno. then it was overbay. then diaz. now correia.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnext!!!!
white angus - February 17, 2012
AJ Burnett!
gorillagogo - February 17, 2012
probably right
white angus - February 17, 2012
who becomes the next whippin boy?
Paul Martin……..oh wait wrong sport.
Bradley James McEachern - February 18, 2012
It’s exaggerating to say he’s “found consistent work” as a starter. The Giants dropped him from their rotation and moved him to the bullpen, where he did his best pitching. He lost his starting job with the Padres, who then let him walk with no return. He “found work” only in the sense that a bad team picked him up (in the midst of doing a real bangup job of signing FAs) and foolishly gave him a guaranteed two-year contract. There probably isn’t another team in MLB that would go into spring training with Correia a rotation lock, and it looks to me like the Pirates don’t want to do so, either. I’m willing to bet he’s the guy who’ll lose out to Burnett, unless Morton’s surgery intervenes. At some point, when one team after another finds a player inadequate to hold a regular ML job, you can no longer say the player is a ML quality player in that job.
WTM - February 17, 2012
Not silly at all.
Just as putting a turd in a flower vase doesn’t make it a rose, putting Kevin Correia in your rotation does not make him a “major league caliber” starter.
Rather, it is an indictment of the effect expansion has had on the quality of pitching in MLB, as there are 150 rotation spots that have to be filled every year by 30 teams that have budgets ranging from $210MM to $40MM, and those at the bottom of that scale will look to fill their spots as cheaply as possible, hence the continued use of the Kevin Correias and Brett Tomkos and Zach Dukes of the world.
Bishop1973 - February 17, 2012
By definition, that makes him a ML starter, not a ML-caliber starter.
Vlad - February 17, 2012
If we sent Jones to the Yankees and picked up Lyle Overbay to replace him, by this reasoning Overbay would be a ML caliber firstbaseman.
WTM - February 17, 2012
Reminds me of the line in the NHBA about Bobby Bonilla's defense:
Bill James does turn a nice phrase from time to time.
Vlad - February 17, 2012
I guess I don’t understand the difference between those two labels.
Seems to me like like someone who routinely starts in the major leagues is a major-league caliber starter.
Whatever. I’m not a big KC fan and I’m not gonna spend a lot of words defending him. He’s a below-average ML starter, agreed. But remember that half of all MLB players have to be below average.
Garrett122 - February 20, 2012
According to standard BD thought, though...
Every player on the roster has to have an OPS+ of 200 or a WHIP of under .50 or they should be taken out back shot, and buried in a shallow grave.
BarryJT - February 17, 2012
Yes, the standard BD poster advocates shooting literally every single player in the MLB because he’s not good enough.
Have you seen Correia’s numbers? Only once in 9 seasons has he had a WAR above 2. He has been pretty consistently below average as an ML starter, so saying he shouldn’t be in a major league rotation isn’t exactly an absurd statement.
Superstar25 - February 17, 2012
My comment on shooting people is hyperbole, as I’m sure you’re aware, and not a statement of fact.
BarryJT - February 17, 2012
No, it’s not absurd. But saying that below average = not major league caliber is kind of a non sequitar. Half of the pitchers in the majors are below average.
Garrett122 - February 20, 2012
Sounds like the Voltaire passage where he visited England and said they were hanging an admiral to “encourage the others.”
WTM - February 17, 2012
LOL!
BarryJT - February 17, 2012
The floogings will continue...
…until the morale improves.
cocktailsfor2 - February 19, 2012
you are just playing
to the white angus crowd!
BurgherKing - February 17, 2012
Would I be overreaching to presume AJ Burnett at $6.5m is a better deal than Edwin Jackson at $11m?
pizibao - February 17, 2012
I wouldn't say overreaching
well within the realm of possibility.
Garrett122 - February 17, 2012
that $4.5m per year would have taken out a lot of projection and good luck, “guaranteed” about 1.5 more WAR per year and Jackson has just as much breakout potential.
*guaranteed meaning likely to achieve (~ 2 vs 3.5)
Mr. E - February 17, 2012
yeah
I’d rather have E-Jax at 3/30, but it wasn’t happening.
WHYG Zane Smith - February 17, 2012
Not overreaching....
much better since we have AJ for two years – with Jackson, we’d likely be facing the same problem next off-season
Trogluddite - February 17, 2012
A Yankees fan perspective -- Good AJ, Bad AJ
Yankees fan passing through with a few random thoughts on what I assume will be a completed deal within the next day.
Up front, I’ll say I think this is a good deal for the Pirates. It makes sense for both teams, but for different reasons.
First up, Dejan Kovacevic’s column dramatically overstates AJ’s decreasing velocity. He painted it as a drop from 99 mph to 92 mph. No. His average fastball used to be 96, at times touching 99 in game, where now his average fastball is 93, at times touching 96 in game. It’s a consistent three mph drop when factoring average and peak velocity, not the seven that Kovacevic implied. He still has plenty of fastball, and can dial it up to 95 when needed. Coupled with his sharp curve, he generates a lot of swing and misses.
AJ’s ERAs the last two years haven’t been pretty, but there are some positive indicators. When pitching to non AL-East teams, something that will be the norm now, his ERA is a more reasonable 4.15. His FIPs have also been a good half run lower than his actual ERAs, and moving to the DH-less NL and away from Yankee Stadium’s short porch in right should all be positives for AJ. It is worth nothing, though, that AJ has pitched better at Yankee Stadium all three years in New York than he did on the road. My guess is it’s a bit of randomness and that even if he did pitch better, the park was still hurting him. If anything, I’d take it as a positive in that what should have been the most pressure-packed games he seemed to have some of his best games.
The negative of AJ is he has a big-kick, high-maintenance delivery. Lots of moving parts that generates the power and provides the leverage on his curve. When he’s out of kilter, he can lose command of both the fastball and curve, and that’s when it gets ugly. He’s never shown an ability to grind his way through the bad periods, which is why he has great starts and bad starts, but not enough of the in between ones. Some people believe he gives up on himself when he doesn’t have his best stuff and that means he gets hit even harder. He’s basically a two-pitch pitcher, and that generally has worked for him since they’re both good, but it would benefit him greatly if he could work in his changeup more frequently.
You are going to have periods as fans where you’re sure the Pirates have figured out AJ and that he’s going to be great all season long. You will be wrong. Bad AJ will show up. The goal is to minimize the bad AJ, which will determine how good a season he will have. The Pirates should also put their best defensive catcher out for many of AJ’s games. His curveball not only causes htiters to miss it, it also causes the catcher to miss it, leading to lots of wild pitches and passed balls.
Last, AJ is a pretty good guy, if that matters to you all. You’ll hear him referred to as a headcase, but that has more to do with how he doesn’t always handle adversity well on the mound. Don’t worry, though, he is not a Carlos Zambrano explosion waiting to happen. Just the opposite. His teammates like him, he was always professional with the NY media even during his low points, standing and answering all questions under the glare of the spotlight. He also likes to throw pie when the team has a comeback win. Kind of goofy, but not the worst quality.
Anyway, just wanted to give all sides of AJ, the good and the bad. Overall, as I said at the start, I think it will be a good deal for the Bucs. He’ll give you 30+ starts, 195+ innings, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he got his ERA under 4.00. Certainly worth $6 million or so a season for the next two years. Just be prepared for some frustration along the way. It comes prepackaged with AJ!
LordD99 - February 17, 2012
Rec
Thanks for the rundown.
WTM - February 17, 2012
Thanks for stopping by...
and the write up.
Trogluddite - February 17, 2012
make it green
PensRock1 - February 17, 2012
done and done
white angus - February 17, 2012
appreciate the post
Mingy - February 17, 2012
as per my fanshot. burnett and barajas teamed up in toronto
this was aj’s most successful campaign.
http://tomsinger.mlblogs.com/2012/02/14/burnetts-bff-rod-barajas/#comments
karreemofwheat - February 17, 2012
"just be prepared for some frustration along the way"
yeahhhhh, pirates fans aren’t used to frustration. thanks for the heads up.
white angus - February 17, 2012
Much appreciated
Thanks for the rundown. Always nice to get the perspective of someone whose seen a player a lot
glass0941 - February 17, 2012
i was genuinely impressed that he didnt trash Burnett in the process
“good riddance” or “$#
! that a$$hole %$#!!!” stuff.white angus - February 17, 2012
Agreed
Nice to get an informed opinion from a Yanks fan.
Wizard of Woz - February 17, 2012
Not here
There are certainly Yankees fans who want to see AJ leave and totally trash him, but for the most part fans liked AJ as a person, and appreciate his contributions as a key member of the 2009 World Series team. I’m a huge baseball fan and the fans here seem to be pretty knowledgeable, so I figured it’s the type of place that would welcome an outside perspective on AJ. There are plenty of other places and boards for the trolls!
LordD99 - February 17, 2012
Could you give them sweetleb’s references?
WTM - February 17, 2012
your on fire
karreemofwheat - February 17, 2012
Thanks for stopping by. This post, along with DK’s piece, are two of the most sensible things I have read all week about this soap opera, and it’s only 9:00am! Things are looking up.
However, I will refrain from celebrating until I find out who the prospects are.
nycbucsfan - February 17, 2012 via mobile
I love it, cause it sounds like we have a say in the matter.
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
Well...
…you do have a say. I used to say all the time to my TV “take him out!” Girardi somehow wouldn’t hear me or listen…but I had my say.
LordD99 - February 17, 2012
we've all guessed a million things
but i’m guessing that in the end NH’s stubbornness has paid off. I’m betting that we’re giving up no one in our top 30 and paying 13 million (6.5 per) instead of the 15 million that the Yankees wanted us to. I can’t wait for this to go through and look at the deatils and knows that we ripped them off!
AJ being worth 6.5 million a year is the FLOOR of his value. so excite
Mingy - February 17, 2012
WAIT!
There’s a possible deal for Burnett? This came totally out of nowhere. Just another example where there are no rumors, and BANG, a deal is made.
So, have you guys discussed this much?
Wizard of Woz - February 17, 2012
eerily reminisen... rimanisc... remananis... similar to Bedard
white angus - February 17, 2012
frontpage ALL of the burnett rumors
johnnycuff - February 17, 2012
Yes
awesome picture!!
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
plug
That comes from a comic/blog called Hyperbole and a Half, which is ridiculously funny. Don’t know where that particular one comes from, but these are two of my favorites (warning: long as hell):
The Party
The Year Kenny Loggins Ruined Christmas
WHYG Zane Smith - February 17, 2012
That one comes from
the best one on the site by far.
This is Why I’ll never be an Adult. Come on WHYG. You dissapoint me.
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
Some things just cut to close to the bone for me. (Speaking of which, I’m really bummed out that the depression one is still at the top of the page.)
WHYG Zane Smith - February 17, 2012
Heh
Well, some of that is due to the fact the Pirates don’t exactly hit a lot of HRs
glass0941 - February 17, 2012
DK finally gave in to the importance of Sabermetrics.......
Now, if he could only do it without being condescending and referring to himself as a ‘geek’ because he, you know, actually made good and substantive points.
Its been a long time coming for Mr. Kovacevic. What next? Smizik pens a column that speaks eloquently to the decision by the FO to not spend money just to say they did? That would be earth shattering…..
Mr. Smizik - February 17, 2012
CHARLIE MORTON LIVES!!!!
he’s tossing down in bradenton…RIGHT NOW
Mingy - February 17, 2012
doesnt mean hes at full steam there, brudda
white angus - February 17, 2012
No, but the Pirates have said repeatedly that he’s ahead of schedule. After their admitted mistake with J-Mac last April, I’m sure they’ll be sensible, but it beats the heck out of the dreaded “he’s day-to-day” sort of scenario.
WTM - February 17, 2012
"He's day-to-day"
- Three months later -“He still day-to-day”
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
Eff your formating
tools SBNation
* shakes fists * (I had to make sure I spaced my *’s so they didn’t end up as a black dot or bolding the words).
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
as Keith O would say
“He’s day-to-day. We’re all day-to-day”
Garrett122 - February 20, 2012
Olney Reporting a Deal - Heading to Commish...
Sources: Yankees and Pirates hope to take their proposed Burnett deal to the Commissioner later today, for approval.
https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN
Mick Kraut - February 17, 2012
Ray Searage
I think Burnett will also benefit working with pitching coach Ray Searage, we’ve seen the good work he’s put since replacing Joe Kerrigan. For Burnett, a fresh start working Searage could be rejuvenating.
SteelStealth - February 17, 2012
Much as I would love to believe this...
…at 35, I think A.J. Burnett is the very definition of the “old dog” who cannot or will not learn new tricks. Face it, he’s got two years left on his contract and is guaranteed to make $33MM, at which point he can retire and hang out at home with his hot wife.
This is the downside of guaranteed contracts; there is no incentive to produce, especially for older players, as you are going to get paid no matter how you perform. Think the Yankees are going to be happy when A-Rod’s body breaks down completely and they are still on the hook for $XMM dollars, or how about the Cubs with the ever-declining Alfonso Soriano?
Bishop1973 - February 17, 2012
Of course
He still could get another few years pitching and make a few (or ten) extra million after this contract ends.
Then again, when your wife looks like this, is there really much incentive to?
glass0941 - February 17, 2012
He has made...
…$87MM playing baseball to date, having won 13 or more games only twice in 10 full seasons and owning a career ERA+ of 105. He parlayed a decent season in 2008 into this deal with the Yankees, at the end of which he will have earned $120MM as a major-league pitcher despite being rather mediocre.
Taking into account the money he obviously spent on cosmetic upgrades for Mrs. Burnett, unless he was completely careless with his money, he has no need to play any further beyond the end of this contract and can spend his retirement going motorboating every day.
Bishop1973 - February 17, 2012
first of all, props for the motorboating comment, well done
second, as a really competitive former player who never got paid to play, i really hated to lose. Burnett has been on some bad teams too. And sure, hes made his millions and gotten a ring, but theres no reason to think he is going to Derek Bell us.
white angus - February 17, 2012
Not intimating that he will pull an Operation Shutdown...
…but rather that he has no reason to want to pitch beyond 2013 when his contract is up. If he flat-out quits now, he forfeits the money, so he can just coast through the next two years, hope to get flipped to a contender either this trade deadline or next, and then ride his wife off into the sunset.
Bishop1973 - February 17, 2012
first of all, props for the sunset comment, giddy up
i have no other points
white angus - February 17, 2012
someone's got to post different pics
i seen this one already!
BurgherKing - February 17, 2012
There's
this thing called the googles.
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
oh look
BurgherKing - February 17, 2012
Exactly
McCutchenIsTheTruth - February 17, 2012
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