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Heyman: Pirates, Yankees Will Complete A.J. Burnett Trade

Jon Heyman:

barring something unforeseen, aj trade will be completed w/i a few days. pirates to pay $13M of $33M, give up 2 non-roster minor leaguers

$13 million is real money, so I wouldn't expect the prospects to be particularly good. Not that we were expecting otherwise.

UPDATE: Dejan Kovacevic's column says something similar about the details of the deal, and also praises the Pirates' front office for the way it has handled negotiations with the Yankees. He also does a nice job explaining why Burnett is a better acquisition than his baseball-card stats make him look. It's a very good column, overall.

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I like it

Barring a last second collapse looks like this will go through. I like that the Bucs stuck to their guns here and will not give up anything more than cash and marginal minor leaguers. AJ will get a fresh start at PNC and in the NL and hopefully will regain his form. I am not looking for him to be dominant by any means. But if he can give us 180+ innings, a decent number of K’s and keep his ERA in the high 3’s to low 4’s then NH and company have pulled off a good one. He should benefit not having to constantly face AL East line ups and no Pujols and very little Fielder. Will be nice to have a starter that hopefully does not start to fade and peter out come August. Is Correia likely the odd man out if we do get AJ? Someone we make the long relief guy and spot starter when needed?

B-b-b-but Dejan hates the FO and lives his life for the sole purpose of trashing them! This column must have been written by his evil twin.

Speaking of evil, there’s this bit of wisdom from NY Post.

Burnett would be the Pirates’ No. 2 starter behind Kevin Correia and ahead of the oft-injured Erik Bedard.

Oh, how being an All-Star affects public perception of you…

If the Yankees would take Correia...

it would solve a lot of problems.

just pitch Correia on the road
I wish

That would mean he’s a non-roster player

well if it does not happen by close of business friday, then it will have to wait until monday.

bud has to give his blessing. the way he hates us it would not suprise me if he rejected the deal.

if the yanks want it done

it will get done

not going to happen

you guys will never learn, sweetleb has a guy inside the yankees fo and they are just messy with the pirates. plus why would the pirates not wait to see how he is throwing in spring training.

Why did you put quotes around the entirety of your signature?

I think he said it one

time and it seemed to smart, he wanted to memorialize it. That’s my guest at least.

Are you George Costanza?

He must be Newman! Constanza is his source. I think we finally nailed it!

That's his man on the inside!

The Pisano’s delivery guy. Either that, or he’s from the coffee shop. But no, you have to get the BIIIIIG salad!

Let me guess Sweetleb

You couldn’t sleep so you took a late-night troll?

I'm scared

If this deal gets done the buccos will have 6 actual major league starting pitchers for 5 spots. Um…what the eff is happening here?

6 actual major league starting pitchers

Burnett, Bedard, J-Mac, Morton, Karstens and . . . ?

Correia

??? Dude was an all-star last year…

And Mike Williams was an All-Star with an ERA over 6.00.

Are you saying Mike Williams wasn’t a major league caliber pitcher?

The year after his last All-Star appearance he sure wasn’t.

The year OF that appearance he wasn’t, either.

And Correia isn’t a major league caliber starter.

this is a little silly

No, Correia didn’t have a great year, and no, he didn’t really deserve that ASG nod, and yes, he got lucky with run support, etc. etc. etc. I get it. But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a “major league caliber” starter. He may be worse than the “average” starter, but he’s MLB caliber.

We all wish that our rotation was better, but there’s no reason to belittle guys unnecessarily.

question is... once Correia is gone, who becomes the next whippin boy?

first it was cedeno. then it was overbay. then diaz. now correia.

nnnnnnnnnnnnnext!!!!

who becomes the next whippin boy?

Paul Martin……..oh wait wrong sport.

It’s exaggerating to say he’s “found consistent work” as a starter. The Giants dropped him from their rotation and moved him to the bullpen, where he did his best pitching. He lost his starting job with the Padres, who then let him walk with no return. He “found work” only in the sense that a bad team picked him up (in the midst of doing a real bangup job of signing FAs) and foolishly gave him a guaranteed two-year contract. There probably isn’t another team in MLB that would go into spring training with Correia a rotation lock, and it looks to me like the Pirates don’t want to do so, either. I’m willing to bet he’s the guy who’ll lose out to Burnett, unless Morton’s surgery intervenes. At some point, when one team after another finds a player inadequate to hold a regular ML job, you can no longer say the player is a ML quality player in that job.

Not silly at all.
But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a "major league caliber" starter.

Just as putting a turd in a flower vase doesn’t make it a rose, putting Kevin Correia in your rotation does not make him a “major league caliber” starter.

Rather, it is an indictment of the effect expansion has had on the quality of pitching in MLB, as there are 150 rotation spots that have to be filled every year by 30 teams that have budgets ranging from $210MM to $40MM, and those at the bottom of that scale will look to fill their spots as cheaply as possible, hence the continued use of the Kevin Correias and Brett Tomkos and Zach Dukes of the world.

But he’s found consistent work in the major leagues for years now, which makes him, by definition, a "major league caliber" starter.

By definition, that makes him a ML starter, not a ML-caliber starter.

If we sent Jones to the Yankees and picked up Lyle Overbay to replace him, by this reasoning Overbay would be a ML caliber firstbaseman.

Reminds me of the line in the NHBA about Bobby Bonilla's defense:
Bonilla…has played about 8,000 career innings at third base, so I suppose that makes him a third baseman, and if you sent him into space a few times I suppose that would make him an astronaut…

Bill James does turn a nice phrase from time to time.

By definition, that makes him a ML starter, not a ML-caliber starter.

I guess I don’t understand the difference between those two labels.

Seems to me like like someone who routinely starts in the major leagues is a major-league caliber starter.

Whatever. I’m not a big KC fan and I’m not gonna spend a lot of words defending him. He’s a below-average ML starter, agreed. But remember that half of all MLB players have to be below average.

According to standard BD thought, though...

Every player on the roster has to have an OPS+ of 200 or a WHIP of under .50 or they should be taken out back shot, and buried in a shallow grave.

Yes, the standard BD poster advocates shooting literally every single player in the MLB because he’s not good enough.

Have you seen Correia’s numbers? Only once in 9 seasons has he had a WAR above 2. He has been pretty consistently below average as an ML starter, so saying he shouldn’t be in a major league rotation isn’t exactly an absurd statement.

My comment on shooting people is hyperbole, as I’m sure you’re aware, and not a statement of fact.

He has been pretty consistently below average as an ML starter, so saying he shouldn’t be in a major league rotation isn’t exactly an absurd statement.

No, it’s not absurd. But saying that below average = not major league caliber is kind of a non sequitar. Half of the pitchers in the majors are below average.

Sounds like the Voltaire passage where he visited England and said they were hanging an admiral to “encourage the others.”

The floogings will continue...

…until the morale improves.

you are just playing

to the white angus crowd!

Would I be overreaching to presume AJ Burnett at $6.5m is a better deal than Edwin Jackson at $11m?

I wouldn't say overreaching

well within the realm of possibility.

that $4.5m per year would have taken out a lot of projection and good luck, “guaranteed” about 1.5 more WAR per year and Jackson has just as much breakout potential.

*guaranteed meaning likely to achieve (~ 2 vs 3.5)

yeah

I’d rather have E-Jax at 3/30, but it wasn’t happening.

Not overreaching....

much better since we have AJ for two years – with Jackson, we’d likely be facing the same problem next off-season

we've all guessed a million things

but i’m guessing that in the end NH’s stubbornness has paid off. I’m betting that we’re giving up no one in our top 30 and paying 13 million (6.5 per) instead of the 15 million that the Yankees wanted us to. I can’t wait for this to go through and look at the deatils and knows that we ripped them off!

AJ being worth 6.5 million a year is the FLOOR of his value. so excite

WAIT!

There’s a possible deal for Burnett? This came totally out of nowhere. Just another example where there are no rumors, and BANG, a deal is made.

So, have you guys discussed this much?

eerily reminisen... rimanisc... remananis... similar to Bedard
frontpage ALL of the burnett rumors

Yes

awesome picture!!

plug

That comes from a comic/blog called Hyperbole and a Half, which is ridiculously funny. Don’t know where that particular one comes from, but these are two of my favorites (warning: long as hell):

The Party
The Year Kenny Loggins Ruined Christmas

That one comes from

the best one on the site by far.

This is Why I’ll never be an Adult. Come on WHYG. You dissapoint me.

Some things just cut to close to the bone for me. (Speaking of which, I’m really bummed out that the depression one is still at the top of the page.)

Heh
PNC Park, which always has favored pitchers (except when Albert Pujols was up), allowed the sixth fewest.

Well, some of that is due to the fact the Pirates don’t exactly hit a lot of HRs

DK finally gave in to the importance of Sabermetrics.......

Now, if he could only do it without being condescending and referring to himself as a ‘geek’ because he, you know, actually made good and substantive points.

Its been a long time coming for Mr. Kovacevic. What next? Smizik pens a column that speaks eloquently to the decision by the FO to not spend money just to say they did? That would be earth shattering…..

CHARLIE MORTON LIVES!!!!

he’s tossing down in bradenton…RIGHT NOW

doesnt mean hes at full steam there, brudda

No, but the Pirates have said repeatedly that he’s ahead of schedule. After their admitted mistake with J-Mac last April, I’m sure they’ll be sensible, but it beats the heck out of the dreaded “he’s day-to-day” sort of scenario.

"He's day-to-day"

- Three months later -

“He still day-to-day”

Eff your formating

tools SBNation

* shakes fists * (I had to make sure I spaced my *’s so they didn’t end up as a black dot or bolding the words).

as Keith O would say

“He’s day-to-day. We’re all day-to-day”

Olney Reporting a Deal - Heading to Commish...

Sources: Yankees and Pirates hope to take their proposed Burnett deal to the Commissioner later today, for approval.

https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN

Ray Searage

I think Burnett will also benefit working with pitching coach Ray Searage, we’ve seen the good work he’s put since replacing Joe Kerrigan. For Burnett, a fresh start working Searage could be rejuvenating.

Much as I would love to believe this...

…at 35, I think A.J. Burnett is the very definition of the “old dog” who cannot or will not learn new tricks. Face it, he’s got two years left on his contract and is guaranteed to make $33MM, at which point he can retire and hang out at home with his hot wife.

This is the downside of guaranteed contracts; there is no incentive to produce, especially for older players, as you are going to get paid no matter how you perform. Think the Yankees are going to be happy when A-Rod’s body breaks down completely and they are still on the hook for $XMM dollars, or how about the Cubs with the ever-declining Alfonso Soriano?

Of course

He still could get another few years pitching and make a few (or ten) extra million after this contract ends.

Then again, when your wife looks like this, is there really much incentive to?

He has made...

…$87MM playing baseball to date, having won 13 or more games only twice in 10 full seasons and owning a career ERA+ of 105. He parlayed a decent season in 2008 into this deal with the Yankees, at the end of which he will have earned $120MM as a major-league pitcher despite being rather mediocre.

Taking into account the money he obviously spent on cosmetic upgrades for Mrs. Burnett, unless he was completely careless with his money, he has no need to play any further beyond the end of this contract and can spend his retirement going motorboating every day.

first of all, props for the motorboating comment, well done

second, as a really competitive former player who never got paid to play, i really hated to lose. Burnett has been on some bad teams too. And sure, hes made his millions and gotten a ring, but theres no reason to think he is going to Derek Bell us.

Not intimating that he will pull an Operation Shutdown...

…but rather that he has no reason to want to pitch beyond 2013 when his contract is up. If he flat-out quits now, he forfeits the money, so he can just coast through the next two years, hope to get flipped to a contender either this trade deadline or next, and then ride his wife off into the sunset.

first of all, props for the sunset comment, giddy up

i have no other points

someone's got to post different pics

i seen this one already!

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